The Real Story Behind Central Park Horse Conditions by Rain Dove Dubilewski
WARNING! The blog you are about to read is on a VERY controversial issue. The views that I am expressing are MY own personal views. My PERSONAL opinion is neither right nor wrong. It is simply how I see this issue based on MY experiences. It is subject to change over time and with new information. I am NOT an expert. I am NOT involved with either organization. So before you read further and have a conniption – keep in mind to THINK FOR YOURSELF. I am sharing what I have learned with you to form or solidify your OWN opinion about this issue. The following is a true documented account.
“Cruelty! You should be ashamed of yourself! You are supporting animal cruelty! Ugly- Ugly! You’re so ugly right now!” They shouted at me. “Ugly man in the dress! Listen to us! These animals pulling your carriage eat food covered in pigeon excrement, they get hit daily by cars, they are abused by the owners and beaten daily! Evil! You are supporting evil people!”
Fashion week- first night, first runway show. The designer decides for us to ride in horse carriages to show off his new collection… and the voices of hundreds of angry animal rights activists greet me unexpectedly to tell me that the minute I step into a carriage I am stepping into the life of an animal that is suffering. News crews, reporters, bloggers, photographers swarmed me— I could not control them. The police could not control the crowd. And everything was happening so fast that I felt I could not properly understand what was going on. Someone handed me a sticker to hold with a slogan on it and I did NOT know what it was for— what I was representing and frankly if I wanted to be involved.
I did not want to end up being a face of animal cruelty in the news the next day.
However, I’m not the type to just believe something simply because someone says it to me. Even if that someone is a mob of animal rights people with compelling images of dead horses being shoved in my face. I need to research facts myself, explore topics myself, have my own conclusions. So I maintained my professional contract, did my job, laughed as much as I could to shrug off the craziness of it all, rode in the carriage, asked the driver about his horse, and vowed that the next day I would find out the truth.
Are carriage horses starved, dehydrated, worked to death, and quartered in dastardly living conditions as stated by the animal rights activists?
Is the carriage industry slavery? Or a solution from species slaughter?
My name is Rain. I am an androgynous model (hence the man in the dress comments some slung…) sigh. I love animals. I love most people 😉 And – I love education. Some might believe that as a model I dont have the brain cells nor the knowledge of what to look for to investigate this topic thoroughly but that is not true. I do have an entire childhood spent growing up on a farm, and a degree from UC Berkeley – one of the most activist driven schools in the country. PLUS – ALL people deserve the right to education and to be educated. EVERY person should be able to seek truth for themselves the way they know best – qualified or not in other people’s eyes.
So I set up a meeting with the stables to investigate myself. I knew I might see some really upsetting things, so I took along colleague, friend, and a person who has a history of asking the hard questions- Gina Doost from WhatTheDoost.com. I know that she isn’t the type to just let people BS us. Before my meeting with the stables, Gina and I reach out through social media, phone calls, and email to animals rights activists and the common world to ask them what their concerns are about carriage horses. This is the list we comprised of the top ten general concerns people had. (We also created a list of over a hundred questions to ask about every detail that goes on in this controversial industry.)
- Food is poor quality, has pigeon excrement in it, and is left out for rats to roll in.
- Horses are left at the stables alone for days without water, and dont receive water on the job site either (Central Park).
- The barns are freezing cold in the wintertime and boiling hot in the summer because they don’t have good ventilation.
- The horses are worked to death and never get a day off.
- When the horses are too old to work – they are sold to slaughterhouses.
- Horses get hit by cars all the time and are subject to traffic.
- Drivers beat their horses and whip them.
- Horses do not have free space to run and frolic in a field.
- Many of the horses are lame because the asphalt is too hard on their feet.
- Pollution goes up the horses noses and they have to breathe in exhaust all day.
Heres an account of what happened
(To see the above list ANSWERED based on my discoveries, scroll to the bottom. If any answer seems unlikely to you, find the reasoning for that answer in this blog below):
When I arrived at the horse barns I noticed that it remarkably blended in with its surroundings- in a quieter part of NYC across from a park/playground. The front wall had a planter blooming with happy looking plants and there was a very adament NO SMOKING sign there. Most importantly- there was a fire escape on the outside. PHEW. I was wondering how the horses would get out in case of a fire. O.O
We were greeted by a small but beaming crew of people. A horse carriage driver, a photographer named Nina, and Sandi a videographer. They were all so excited to see me there that shaking their hands was like grasping a wiggly puppy.
The first thing I noticed was that the barn was mostly empty on the first floor. There were several fire extinguishers on the walls, another NO SMOKING sign, and a single lonely carriage teetering in a dark corner. It seemed to be staring at me. The driver began the tour immediately as if we were on schedule (and we kind of were, I had a fashion show in just a couple hours). She talked to Gina the long time the stable had been open for, how the city had practically been created by horses, and how it would be a shame to take the horses out of the city when they worked so hard to create it.
Now, let me play devil’s advocate here- the Egyptian pyramids, Mayan temples, and the Great Wall of China were all built on slave labor…. and you don’t see any of those places keeping slaves around pretending to work or maintaining the buildings for “nostalgic purposes.” However, you DO see families and individuals whose family originated from those slaves, and they live freely by choice within the city realms of those creations. Those families often take great pride and ownership in “having built their city;” but they live there by CHOICE…keyword. Do the horses have a choice to be in NYC?! (Answered way below in convo with Stable Manager)
I asked to see the first place of concern. THE GRAIN BINS. Protesters had told me that the animals are fed grain covered in pigeon excrement, that the grain is left out and soiled, and that it is unhealthy for the horses. The basic necessities of life are FOOD, SHELTER, & WATER – so if the food is tainted… that is a MAJOR issue. I was whisked over the cement floor to a corner where two metal drums in the shape of mini silos with a pour spouts at the bottom stood.
“What’s this made out of?” Gina asked.
“Steel…” Christina answered.
It doesnt seem very likely that pigeons could coo and feather there way INTO the metal containers for nesting and pooping pleasures.
“Is this where the grain is kept?” I asked.
Christina nods.
“May I take a look at some?”
Christina says “of course” and pulls out a bucket already filled with grain. She mentions that this was swept up off the floor that morning. I saw some feathers in it- likely from the tiny songbirds that were flitting around- but nothing else. The feathers were a bit bothersome to me- but I’ve seen a horse eat a mouse before in a field so—— likely the feathers won’t bother it much. However, I wasn’t going to trust that a prepoured bucket of grain was indicative of what was actually in the metal drums.
“Can I see some from the drum please?” I ask.
Christina doesn’t even hesitate, she takes a clean lid and pours some grain into it. I pick it up and get REALLY close to inspect for mold, poop, baby crocodiles – anything that could indicate mishandling. There were kernels of soft corn, oats, what appeared to be some other type of grain, and a sweet sticky coating. This was the same type of feed I used to feed my goats in Vermont. It was a sweet feed. I show it to Gina who squints at it too.
“Is this sweet feed?” I ask
Christina nods. She mentions that there is a dry feed as well that is for horses who prefer otherwise or don’t do so well with the sweetfeed. I ask to see grain from that silo too. Also apparently clean.
“How much grain do you go through?”
Christina says “a lot,” but doesnt know the total. She’s just a driver and is not the stable manager–apparently those numbers are with that person. Damn- I’ll def have to come back and visit again.
“Is this organic?”
Christina explains that the grain comes from Amish farms and that she is not sure if it is organic or not. In my opinion, if the ingredients are from the Amish- they are unlikely to be sprayed with chemicals or GMO. However, another question for the Stable Manager.
“Are drivers required to feed their horses this?”
Christina says “no” but this IS what all the drivers seem to use – it’s not like a driver is stashing a secret bag of evil moldy grain in the corner for their pony maliciously. However, the possibility that a driver COULD feed their horse differently if they wanted to is still there.
“Is there a regulated standard for sanitation? Like a food handlers safety certificate process the drivers have to go through to make sure they are aware of how to safely handle their animals food? Or is there a person in the barn who handles sanitation standards? Are the drivers regulated on their feeding processes or required to take a class so they know how much to feed the horses, how much to water them, how to recognize stale or sour feed? Etc?” I realized that this was a lot of questioning, but Christina handled it well- even though, she did appear a bit flustered. Gina gives me the “woah kid calm down look” (I have a very intense face when I ask things…)
“Those are questions for the stable manager mostly. But, the drivers do take very good care of the horses and know how much to feed them. They all have varying dietary needs based on their age and breed…just like people.” I guess that would be hard to regulate different dietary needs for each horse-— but what about basic sanitation standards and handling the grains? I pocketed that question for the stable manager.
When I worked on the farm – we didn’t have written standards for sanitation, we just did stuff. We cleaned out the buckets every day, mucked the stalls in the morning and in the evening if needed, aired out the hay to prevent mold, and kept everything tightly sealed to prevent from rodents and birds. No one needed to tell me how to do those things, they were just common sense. Should seemingly common sense things be regulated?? Well – if you want equal welfare opportunity for all creatures – then yes.
“Do you clean out the inside of the metal drums? Like- I could imagine that if they are not properly cleaned out regularly, that maybe some small amounts of unused grain could sit in there for a long period of time, get moldy, and perhaps make a horse sick if it were to make it to the pour spout. Do you have a schedule for cleanings, or-” I was assured that the drums are definitely cleaned out, but that as far as a schedule for that goes I need to see—- the Stable Manager.
I think about the carriage that had been staring at me in the corner. I ask about traffic laws for horses.
Christina tells me that the horses have the right of way. I ask if the carriages have to abide by the same traffic laws as other vehicles. Specifically, do they have signal lights?
Christina tells me that some carriages have signal lights on them, but the most common practice is for the driver to signal to the vehicles behind them which direction they are going. I suggest that ALL carriages should have signal lights on them, as if they were vehicles, to maximize the opportunity for drivers to communicate with the carriages. Christina is pretty firm that this is not necessary. She gives me a raised eyebrow and laughs that only a complete idiot would not be able to see a massive carriage. In my opinion though, every step, every measure possible that can be taken to prove that these horses (especially in the transportation department) that their safety is ensured should be taken. Even if it’s just for show. Something as simple as just having those lights there can put to rest fears from a mostly un-horse-educated public. Plus… Why risk the occasional idiots? More than a handful DO exist.
We decided to go upstairs and visit the horses in their stalls. To get up to the second floor, we walked up a semi steep ramp covered in black rubber mats. It definitely was a slope – but it wasn’t slippery. Apparently, according to Christina and Nina – this was a point of concern for the activists. They believed that the steep slope was dangerous for the horses and that they couldnt see very well going down them— and perhaps that they may break their horsey ankles on the incline/decline.
The degree of the slope didn’t concern me personally, it didn’t seem like something any horse I’ve worked with would have an issue on. However, maybe it WAS difficult for the horses to see? I mean- what colors do horses see anyways? So I researched and discovered that horses see the blue and green spectrums exceptionally well—- especially green. And that they can see varying stages of light which means – they can see black. But, that they have a much dimmer (almost sepia) view of darker tones. So perhaps a solution to keep the ramp in place would be to put GREEN floor mats down instead so the horses have the maximum opportunity to see where they are going…. or at least paint the mats green with a sticky rubber/latex coating so they maintain their grip.
There have been almost 6 million horse rides over the past 30 years and only 3 deaths and two REPORTED injuries… That means the chances of a horse getting killed is one-in-two-million! MY chances of ceasing to live is much higher than theirs just living in a NYC apartment. (Later I did my research and found that there have been 3 deaths, 1 injury that over time lead to euthanasia, and that there is a whole anti-carriage site dedicated to incident reports that claims about 4 incidents a year occur where a horse spooks and runs into traffic.)
At this point I’m being coaxed to go visit a pony. I realize this is whole floor of stalls. A white horse catches my eye and Gina and I visit him. He seems playful and curious. Gina points out that he flinch or shy away – no ribs are showing, he isn’t limping, his fur is evenly coated and not matted, his mane is brushed or just naturally fabulous and his teeth seem to be fully intact…. as he keeps trying to eat my shirt. We both agree that save for the fact that he isn’t rolling in the grass, this is not a pony that is in dire peril.
I ask about their stall conditions as I pass by them and inspect them carefully. They all seem well stocked with hay in the feeders and fresh straw on the floor if there was a horse in them. The rest were empty. Christina tells me that every stall is cleaned and stocked daily morning and night… I believe it based on the conditions I saw. It didn’t seem cramped at all… I could easy pay $2,500 for a space like that and have a better deal than the average New Yorker…and while the air did smell a bit like manure it wasn’t stuffy. There weren’t a lot of windows, which I wasn’t too excited about. As someone who likes
anthropomorphism, if I were a pony I’d want to stare out a window and daydream about sexy pony things. Like lady ponies and stuff. But it seemed that not all the horses had this opportunity. However, when I addressed this, I was told that the horses get a lot of time outside and that they are accustomed to down time in their “apartments” windows or not- it’s fine with good ventilation.
I ask about how long horses spend in a stall, and I am told usually only a day or two at a time – but that its up to the individual driver. Gina expresses concern that the horse can’t run around in the stall or frolic. This is answered with the fact that horses have been seen rolling themselves in their stalls for chiropractic needs and trotting in circles. I would need to see this for myself. However, I can tell at least that these aren’t overly tight quarters for the horses. At least they can lay down, turn around, and stand in any direction.
About the size of a NYC studio may be good for me… but is it good for the much bigger horses? It depends on how long they are held there for in my opinion. Im 6’2. |
As I pause at a stall and peer in I realize the water bowl seems very tiny. The protesters claimed that the horses weren’t given enough water and were often dehydrated. They said that the horses were subject to stale buckets that fermented in the sunlight and often had their own excrement in it. I ask about the tiny water bowl.
Christina explains that it’s an unlimited watering bowl. There is a little nozzle that when the horse pushes it with their nose, it fills up the bowl with clean clear fresh flowing water which means the horse can drink all they want whenever they want to. I can not believe this. It’s like Olive Garden. Unlimited. Refills. But wait there has to be a catch – is it clean? I am assured by everyone there that it’s city water, good enough for any human to drink. So I do the only thing I know how to – to prove that that’s truth…. I demand to be able to drink some.
Everyone stares at me in disgust. Gina shakes her head like… “HELLLL NAHHHHH”….. But I insist. If someone is going to CLAIM that the water is perfectly fine for humans… than it BETTER be perfectly fine for humans. Christina reluctantly walks me over to a watering bowl in a random empty stall and smiles as I cup a hand under the nozzle. The bucket has a bit of hay algae in it- but the red nozzle seems clean. The water was cold, and tasted kinda tinny. I waited for a stomach turn, a headache, blindness, vomiting, worms, bubonic plague… Anything. But nothing happened. I waited to see if my most certain death might happen on the rest of the tour.
Until then… I had a pressing question. Where does all the poop go? Seriously.
Christina lead me to a large room on the top floor… Barrels and barrels stacked upon barrels of manure were piled in the room. There was a big window that opened French style on the opposite wall. I wasn’t sure how I felt about so much fecal matter being stored in the same building on the same floor that housed the horses…. I mean maybe horses aren’t a yellow-let-it-mellow kinda species. Plus what about the gasses built up by the storage of manure… Couldn’t the methane cause fire conducive conditions in a building with so much aged wood? Who checks this stuff anyways? Is there a poop room inspector?
Christina assures me that the manure is taken once every three days out the French window and given to the Amish for compost. So it doesn’t build up or get wasted. No pun intended.
For our final stop, we left the manure room and did a photoshoot with one of the horses. He is large and powerful standing next to me… And despite my best attempts to snuggle with his sweet baby brown eyed face… He seems distracted. A couple flashes happen from the photographer, but I can tell this photoshoot isn’t going to last long. Then suddenly, the horse veers to the right and lunges for the stall next to me. I follow him instinctively and he puts his butt in my face, flicking his tail at me defensively. I try to look around him, and Christina goes to lead him back to the photo shoot area… That’s when I realized he is sucking away on a salt lick. Apparently, there is a semi communal couple of salt licks with minerals in them that are passed around as treats for horses… And this pony found one. Gina and I insisted that he be left to nibble away as we made small talk… He seemed pretty happy about it and Christina was happy to oblige. The photoshoot was over instantly.
With the tour complete we settled down in the stable managers office for any final questions and I had a couple burning in my mind. Christina cracks open a Coke. Intense eye contact ensues. Silence. I feel ready to grill her.
“So…. How many days a week do the horses work?”
“4-6 days… Depending on the driver. It all varies.”
This is different from the 3 day-a-week claim I got from the driver on the night of the protesters. 6 days seems like a lot….
“Isn’t that a lot of manual labor… ?” I ask
“No – horses like to work, they prefer it actually. And the carriages are easy to pull, even a person can do it. It’s not hard on them at all.”
I make a resolution to pull a carriage before I write this blog to verify this claim. I also make a note to self that unless horses speak English, we can’t really 100% verify that horses like to work. I mean they may express what we believe is joy, but until that language barrier is broken- an animal rights activist can not tell if a horse is sad or just relaxed any more than a driver can tell if a horse loves its work is simply doing it out of routine and resolve. Anthropomorphism on either side is not legitimate assessment of actuality.
“What percentage of the drivers income goes into the horses care and provisions? Like you for example… About how much do you make and how much do you spend?”
Christina laughs and says that’s a personal question she would rather not answer. I can tell she’s a bit uncomfortable with it, and I try to reword.
“What I’m getting at here is – do you spend 50% of your earnings on your horse’s care? Or… Less? You and several other drivers say its a partnership and that you work together equally… So wouldn’t that mean equal split of delegation of funds? You spend 50% on your horses and 50% goes to you?”
Awkward silence.
“Well, the drivers need money to pay for food, rent, and family stuff so – the amount they need to do that is different for every horse. However, no one neglects their horses… Everyone has a personal policy to put their horse first and all the horses in this stable are definitely well taken care of. It’s very expensive to own a horse, so if you count the stable rent and the carriage equipment – likely it’s very close to an even split.”
She sipped her Coke.
I scratch my nose.
“Soooo…. Do they get time off? I heard they get vacation?”
“Yes they do- they get a mandated 5 weeks off and are sent to Amish farms for rest. That’s five weeks in a row… Not broken up. However, most drivers have more than one horse, so a lot of them are out there for extra time.”
“But don’t they need more than five weeks of fresh grass and freedom? I mean, they don’t get a lot of movement in those harnesses-“
“they can move just fine in their harness.” The Coke machine hums in the background.
“What I mean is, they don’t seem to have a lot of freedom to run around and have fun. I mean when they aren’t hooked to a carriage they are in a stall… which isnt a lot of space to RUN. And it doesnt seem like they get a lot of physical connection to other horses. Don’t horses like to snuggle?”
“People dont realize how easily horses get hurt when they have too much freedom to run around… especially with other horses. They can break their legs, and when penned with each other since they are herd animals, they will bite and kick each other. They are actually much safer and happier the way we do it… and trust me… they do a ton of socializing on the job with each other, and talk in the stables as well as while standing with each other.”
This was not easy to hear. I’d rather know that the horses could run freely at the end of the day… Wind blowing in their pony manes and dirt beneath their feet. Get their horse jitters out. And it’s not like I’ve read a common Wikipedia article about how the average rancher or hiker comes upon swaths of wild or domestic horses all flailing on their sides with broken legs from having run free. However… just like any animal or person that doesn’t get a ton of something… I suppose that when carriage horses are exposed to unlimited freedom at the end of a limited day – they might be overzealous and COULD injure their legs. In this society… A horse that badly injures a single leg is likely euthanized. Imagine if we did that with people… Tiny Tim wouldn’t have been in A Christmas Carol! I researched health needs of horses later on and technically all horses run… But they don’t NEED to run to survive. Just like Americans. Clearly. Is it healthier for them to be able do so? Likely. Will they die if they don’t and certainly live boring miserable existences? No. Do I feel comfortable sleeping at night knowing that they don’t have access to a field to run in after work? Not really…
I take a breath. Gina pats my shoulder because I’m clearly not happy with this response.
Christina smiles at me under her top hat.
Gina took over for a moment, “So what about having a space for the horses in Central Park or a piece of land the drivers buy into?”
“The park was ACTUALLY built FOR the horses- so it WOULD be nice to have a space in there for them. But it’s not likely to happen anytime soon – it would take a lot of money, city official oversight, and headache. I’d love to be able to walk my horse out – it’s just not going to happen though. That’s why she goes on vacation.”
I had one more question speaking of vacation. Something truly terrifying that the protesters had said that stuck with me.
That the horses were disappearing randomly. They would just one day get too old to work or not be useful anymore and then suddenly disappear with no documentation of what happened to them. That they were just sent to slaughter houses the second they weren’t efficient anymore. Just like every alien movie or horror abduction story.
“What happens to the horses when they are too old to work, or if they are too lame to work, or if they don’t want to work?”
Christina gets a big proud grin on her face and jumps eagerly into telling me about a horse sanctuary called Blue Star that she helped start herself. It’s a large ranch where horses retire to greener pastures and free frolicking. It sounded pretty awesome. Until I visit it personally, I won’t know if it truly is, it the photos and reviews seem really solidly supportive of the citrus she painted in my head…. I’d have to see for myself.
(SEE THEIR SITE HERE: http://www.equiculture.org/ )
I ask if the horses are euthanized at their retirement and sold to meat packers and she laughs that this never happens. The drivers love their horses too much and that when a horse retires, drivers are in a sense retiring a pet or a coworker… And care deeply about the final years of that creature.
I keep an open mind that every driver has individual rights though and that they are not required to retire a horse to any specific sanctuary or place. So TECHNICALLY the room for a horse to retire to slaughter IS possible. Likely though…. Not from what I have observed.
That Coke is making me thirsty… And I’m so engrossed in this conversation that I realize I actually am running late to my runway show. I abruptly ended the discussion and left. Christina thanked me for coming and was actually so concerned about me getting to my show on time that she paid for a cab to get me there.
In the cab I realize there are still quite a few unanswered questions. Gina and I went back and forth on the topic trying to wrap our minds around our experience. We both agreed that while I had hoped for my visit to the stable to be enough to come up a basic conclusion over the controversial carriage industry… it wasn’t. I needed to pull a carriage, find out about how much the city government was involved, and experience the working conditions as well as the living conditions of the stables.
So the next week when the glitter and high heels cooled down a bit from fashion week, I returned to the stables to meet with someone a little more knowledgable… The stable manager. Connor.
Who is also a driver.
Upon returning it was a flurry of commotion as most drivers were walking their horses out of the barn to head to work. Nina the photographer and Sally the videographer were there again to document. I briefly shook hands with a warm smiley man who looked like he just stepped out of a British themed Disney movie. He was busy and unable to talk for about ten minutes BUT he WAS the stable manager and the one I came to see…. So it was worth waiting for him.
As I made small talk with my big voice and awkwardly over expressive body, another driver offered to let me attempt my aspirations of pulling a horse carriage. He gestured to one of his own carts and I got in position.
To be honest if felt a little nerve wracking. I felt like perhaps I should’ve done more pushups or something…. All of this was being documented and if I couldn’t pull this thing I’m not sure if it would truly be a reflection on the weight of the cart or my potential love life capabilities. The driver hopped up in the drivers seat to give it accurate weight. Oh boy.
I pulled forward and it was a little heavy to start, I really had to lean into it. But once it got rolling it was actually not that resistant or heavy. I even turned the cart on my own. I thought about the way the harnesses are constructed and I know from previously owning horses and cart pulling animals that physics says the animals are PUSHING not pulling the cart. I know that may not seem like it makes a difference but it does… The point of pressure spreads across their chest and down their sides … Meaning that the back and legs do not experience most of the strain. These are the places on a horse most susceptible to injury.
Nerd alert!
Once he was ready the stable manager offered me the opportunity to see what the travel conditions were like from the stable to Central Park… The daily routine for horses and their drivers. Since the activists complained that horses were subject to heavy traffic and constantly spook and run out into cars to face their excruciatingly publicly painful deaths – I was really grateful to have the opportunity to see this first hand.
As we took off I decided to use this time to ask some questions and observe.
“Is the grain organic?”
“Likely yes, it comes from an Amish farm. We worked hard to find the best quality for our horses.”
“Are there sanitation standards for the barn? As in does someone inspect it and regulate it same as they might a restaurant or apartment complex? I’m really concerned about food handling safety, the mucking process, and having a general eye on the welfare of the horses.”
He turned around briefly and looked at me. “We have some signs up in the stables for basic rules, but every driver has to pass a test to get their license… SO they really need to know how to care for their horses and their environments. But just this past year alone we had an inspector visit close to 200 times.”
I was surprised. That’s a lot of visits… “Inspector of what? What do they look at? What’s their name? Can I ask them how many times they visited? Is there public record of that?”
“The inspector is from the city and checks everything from basic safety codes to the food sanitation etc. there are over 2,000 regulations and laws pertaining to carriage horses so he is constantly involved with making sure we are doing our jobs right. And if you ask me personally… 200 visits in one year is several more than you’ll ever see someone give any restaurant or even hospital.”
I resolve that I would look up the inspector and cross reference that statement just to make sure it was true. 200 is a lot. (Later it takes me three danged days but I am finally able to contact city officials and confirm that on average there are 2-3 visits per week to the midtown stables from the city.)
I looked around me, there sure were a good number of cars… But the horse is very confident and calm. They look forward seemingly not even needing the driver at all to tell them where they are going. They know. Cars do not honk at us on OUR ride. The horse does not appear jumpy, afraid, or on edge from what I can tell with my perspective.
One thing I note about the trip from the barn to Central Park is that there are no signs marking the fact that horses are a part of the traffic flow. Just like signal lights, this seems like a necessary precaution… Anything helps really. Even BIKES have traffic signs. I bring this up to the stable manager and he tells me that the city put up one horse crossing sign…. In the park. High in the air. And I’m able to verify that in our arrival by spotting the little yellow square in the distance. He says he has advocated for crossing signs many times.
In my personal opinion, I’m kind of a mom mentality when it comes to safety. I used to be a firefighter so prevention and smokey bear is always on my mind. I really believe that there should be JUST ONE route from the barns to the Central Park area and it should DEFINITELY have AT LEAST signs that say HORSES CROSSING or WALKING or FROLICKING WITH WAGONS. If not for the sake of the horses then for the safety of the people in cars. If the area were marked, it might become safer. Most drivers I’ve talked to have suggested even a special lane dedicated to horses for specific hours of the day… Just two hours morning and two hours evening. This may be extreme to get, but it’s encouraging to know that the safety of the horses is considered by the drivers when it comes to traffic.
When we get to Central Park, Connor parks the carriage in a short line of other carriages. The horses stand there nonchalantly. I use this time to ask more questions.
“Why wont they put signs up?”
Connor gets comfortable and turns back to face me. I move closer to him so I can hear him better. “The mayor isn’t in support of the carriages and actually has talked about potentially banning them… So it would be a dream to think he’d even provide funding for traffic signing. He hasn’t even ever visited the stables once, and we have invited him several times.”
I personally can understand a mayor not prioritizing horse barn visiting over basic citizen needs… but if he is going to ban something that could put a ton of his citizens out of work…I personally believe he should do it from an educated perspective. In order to be educated, you have to go see and understand what you are working with, then process it.
“What happens if the horse carriages are banned?”
The stable managers eyes narrow a bit. “Well there are hundreds of drivers who would not be ale to feed their families and would be out of work and-“
“Screw the drivers…. I mean from a joking sense… I’m coming at this from a YOU’RE HUMAN YOU WILL BE FINE… ULTIMATELY THESE ARE HORSES SUBJECT TO YOUR WHIMS kinda activist perspective because I want to answer their questions in an integrous way. So hypothtetically… Screw the drivers- what happens to the horses?”
“Well, they are all owned independently so it depends on what the drivers could do with them. They are expensive so likely most would sell their horses to Amish farms or ranches.”
“To work?”
“That’s likely what they would be used for, yes.”
“Are Amish farms regulated in the way they maintain their horses? As in barn standards, work standards, health standards?”
“No they aren’t… And they work their horses a lot harder than we do. So do the ranchers. Those horses don’t have anyone walking in making sure that the horses are fed proper, their water is clean. Their stalls are mucked, and that they are getting vacation time. Abuse, mistreatment, neglect on all levels can exist… Even on financially depraved horse sanctuaries that don’t intend for it to exist simply because they aren’t regulated by officials. In fact I think you’ll find that we are one of, if not THE ONLY regulated horse industry in the world by city officials. We are definitely the ONLY working horse industry in the world that has a city mandated 5 week vacation enforcement and an inspector that visits constantly. We even have rules like we can’t work our horses if the temperature is 90 degrees or above. I mean we are held to higher basic standards for life quality and social treatment than anywhere else.”
Connor is quite fluffed in the passions of his speech and he catches himself. I catch myself…. For a moment I was beginning to get inspired and nod along with him. But I needed to remain focused. I needed to do my own research later to determine if they truly were better regulated than other industries and farms in the world.
I thought about the beginning of this particular subject though… Which was the selling of horses back to Amish farms and ranches. Would a life of plowing, log skidding, and buggy transporting in all temperatures be easier and safer than a life in NYC pulling a cart? Would their living conditions be better? They’d still get Amish oats sooooo that would seemingly be the same. But would the barns be monitored and the water be limitless? I guess it would be up to the individual owner, but it seems likely it would not be on the same par.
“How many carriage horses are in NYC?”
“About 500 are owned… Some are always on vacation and rotated though.”
“If the city shut the stables down…. Would any of the horses be euthanized?”
He sighs “Hopefully not, but that’s a lot of horses to find a home for. If a driver can’t find a home in time, that may be something that happened.”
“Where are the horses purchased from?” I’m on a bullet point list at this point, and I know the stable manager is losing work because he’s choosing to talk to me instead.
“Amish farms and some private markets but predominantly the New Holland market.”
“Are they a trained horse kinda market? Like for race horse and special horses?”
He shakes his head. “No actually most of the horses at New Holland are sold to slaughter houses. About 90% of them actually. Very few people actually purchase a horse to own for work because of technology and few people have horses for FUN so horses are mostly used for products like meat and chemicals.”
Oh. I’m not even sure what to say to this. (Later I called auction representatives who claim that only 80% are sold for meat purposes, but that the slaughter horses are often given humane deaths very shortly after being purchased and that they would never support a slaughter company that treated animals unethically. They do support slaughter because they believe horses are the same as cows, chickens, and pigs. I don’t think death is humane.)
“So these horses are kind of like rescue horses… Most of them?”
He nods. “yeah you could put it that way. It’s either this, death, farm labor, or racetracks really.”
“Well… I personally believe that any utilization of another being human or ot… For the profit of another being- without freedom of choice or consent is slavery in a way. So I mean, making these horses work for your profit is kinda like a form of slavery. It’s better than death but it’s not fair if they can’t choose to work right?”
He chuckles “Oh they choose to work! We test horses after carefully selecting them and if they show us that they are uncomfortable at all with NYC or that they don’t want to pull a carriage we aren’t going to whip them or risk our lives gambling they won’t run from a honking taxicab. We will retire them out if we can, trade them with an Amish farm, or work on them in a rural area.”
I hardly think that constitutes as choosing whether a horse wants to work or not, but I really do think it sounded appealing that they at least did not force horses to work that are less apt to adapt. I would need to see an example of this type of process happening though to verify that it does happen.
“How many rides a day do you give approximately and how long do they last?” This was a key question to be asked… it would tell me how much they worked- and how much they stood around.
“It depends on the time of the year. February is dead – so maybe three rides a day in an 8 hour shift. Christmas and key points during tourist season you may be busy, so you will give about 2 rides an hour, maybe three if you are luck. Every ride is 15-20 minutes long from the moment someone boards to the moment they pay and leave. A horse typically spend 1/3 of his shift standing and resting between rides.”
I had one final question for him. “Food, water, shelter…. Do they get them on the work site? I don’t see a hose….”
We step off the cart, and he shows me two swinging buckets under the cart. They are filled with grain. The horses in front of us are munching out of grain buckets. Pigeons ARE definitely sharing in on the action- but the horses seem capable of shooing them away. He then points out a water fountain at the beginning and end of the Central Park circle. I inspect them and see a small film of algae but nothing worse… It’s circulating clean water. I drink some. Awkward.
I check in with every driver in line to see that they have food with them and to see the state of their horses. They seem in healthy condition… Not visibly scarred or gimpy or mucusy in the eyes. Every single driver in line had a bag of carrots on them too. Which seemed pretty liberally handed out. I ask to check how tight the straps and harness gear is on all the horses, Im allowed to do this. I don’t see any cuts, scars, or tensions where the straps lie. I DO see some horses have streaks where there is no fur because its been rubbed off… but the skin showing is not raw or even irritated, its just bald like a 50 year old man.
I left an open mind that it might not always be like this every day and perhaps what I was seeing was a fluke. Maybe there are days that are good and days that are bad. However, if this WAS the daily…. It was definitely not critically abusive in nature… As in these horses weren’t about to die from face punches and whipcracks dehydration or exhaustion. If anything they might just get fat!
After standing around, taking some photos, and socializing with a few other drivers- I decide to wrap it up for the day and head home to really think about the things that had been said. I had desperately prayed that the answer would be easy and clear so as to avoid carpal tunnel…. but I knew that the blog I was going to write was going to be massively long. There are hundreds of factors to really consider when it comes to deciding if the horses were taken care of or being abusively exploited for money.
AT HOME WITH PETA
So after putting the two trips together, and spending hours upon hours researching, asking animal rights activists through social media, meeting with members of animal rights organizations such as PETA, ARF, NYCLASS and meditating— this is what I have come to.
Realistically, we live in a world where humans have caused a massive amount of environmental destruction. Opportunities for ALL wild creatures to live freely in their known habitats while having access to adequate resources necessary for survival are becoming fewer and fewer. Whole species are being wiped from the face of this planet, or are drastically declining in numbers after suffering disease, starvation, dehydration, and more. The world as we once saw it- that Garden of Eden- is slipping…. if not – gone on many parts of this planet.
After having this experience and reviewing the basic questions above – I realize that the horses DO have more than adequate basic food, water, and decent shelter conditions. They have required medical care, dental care, and work conditions mandated by law and a tight knit community.
At this point if we ban the horse carriage industry in NYC, what does that mean for the horses? Where do they go? Who takes them? If a sanctuary takes them all in… that’s space being taken up that could be used for animals that are perfectly healthy but instead, literally, being sent to a slaughter house right now. This is a really difficult topic that is still new to us as a society…. we are still figuring out animal rights and how to protect animals while still destroying their environments, eating at the rate we do, and consuming at the rate we do. Our solutions as to how to incorporate these amazing creatures into our increasingly human populated world are going to shift and change. And the animals that will survive this damage we are causing- will survive because of funding, luck, and awareness.
Is there funding for horse rescue? Apparently not even enough to maintain funding for sanctuaries already in place… never mind new ones. How many people own horses for fun? Not many – because it’s expensive. Is it fair to kill something just because you don’t have room or a use for it- after having brought it into this world in the first place? Not in my opinion.
Look I know it’s controversial for me to say this and it’s not easy to say this because I personally would rather just see all animals living their lives freely by choice and frolicking playing and eating until they get fat and die of old age. HOWEVER this isn’t currently possible for these horses. I DON’T know what the rest of the world’s carriage industry is like… it could be terrible in London and Paris and Dubai. But NYC has SO many regulations and laws on this particular industry pertaining to the direct care of the horses that are made by people who are demanding basic HUMAN rights for equines. Which means that the 5 weeks of vacation, the working temp conditions, the sick leave and required checkups, housing unit is city approved… these things are things not given to other animals of any species almost anywhere on the globe. These are HUMAN conditions given to HORSES.
In my opinion (from my limited educational standpoint on what I feel is right)- these working conditions are better than a slaughter house. They are better than plowing fields on an Amish farm under a whip. And they are better than some private ownerships where they are neglected in a field all day and yes do nothing- but are not maintained or loved. So for that reason, until a BETTER standard of living can be provided for ALL horses— STARTING with the ones in DIRE need first— I PERSONALLY see NYC carriages as not only an ok industry for horses… but perhaps an example of one step further towards equality of rights between animals and people. If all creatures had their rights regulated as much as NYC carriage horses did… there would be a lot less neglect in my opinion.
Questioning will never end!
Until then – my education on this issue will continue to be inspired by my experiences. If you have an opinion, information, or insight – please share it. I am open and welcome to change my mind towards truth when truth is presented. So if any one should feel I am missing ANY information – I would love love love to know about it.
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR OPINIONS!
Appreciate that you took the time to thoroughly research before writing your blog. The reality is this…a horse with a JOB is a horse that has a chance of a good life with good care into it’s old age and then euthanasia (good death) when it is time. I will not debate the slaughter issue but under no circumstance can it be considered “humane”, that is an impossibility and auction houses like New Holland do not care whether a slaughter house is humane or not…whoever has the money, gets the horse.
I have owned and loved six horses in my life. Together,
we had a sport: long distance competitive trail riding when the
condition of the horse is monitored by vets throughout
the competition. Each of my horses loved the challenge
and they loved having a “job”. Going out each day to
condition ourselves for the competitions was pure joy for
all of us. We loved each other and bonded for the challenge
ahead. Horses love having a purpose, just like people!
Dear Rain;
Thank you.
Thank for thinking, thanking for asking, thank you for caring, thank you for researching, and thank you for speaking of your experience and opinions.
Fantastic. Thank you so much for your time and thoughtful perspective… especially where TRULY needy horses are concerned. It often strikes me that any one of the shrieking, sign-waving protesters could do a great deal more good if they ever once showed consideration for the legions of starving, ill, injured, homeless horses in this country… including tens of thousands of feral horses being “warehoused” in federal holding facilities in the American West.
To demand that these comfy, protected, well-fed, sheltered horses be ripped from their secure homes is straight-up obscene when you think about the numbers of horses being loaded on slaughter trucks today and every single day… two hundred THOUSAND a year.
And your point about human rights? Perfect. These cherished working animals are afforded security and benefits that a great many human workers in NYC and across the country don’t receive. How is it possible to claim to love animals, and to demonstrate it by stripping them of the life security that so many others lack? I guess it is for those “animal rights” people who don’t believe in the most fundamental rights of all; for groups like PETA death is preferable to a comfy shelter, routine meals and excellent medical care.
I find that position absolutely stomach-turning.
Thanks again!
I am seriously impressed with all you have done to come to your conclusions as they are at this time. I couldn’t agree more, with one minor exception – a minor one, a practical one, but a point that is very solid in my mind – the concept of work for an animal being akin to slavery, or a better term, the idea of choice or free will. I can’t cross that line, not for lack of trying, and not for lack of pressure from a whole lot of other folks who I know love animals as much as I do. Animals do not posses free will. Humans do, and although the jury is still out, I don’t see any sign of even our close relatives, the great apes, being able to have the same impact on the planet or their own place in it coming close to what humans do, for good or ill or, actually, BOTH good and ill. This philosophy is not explained with facts, or by science, but more like spirituality or mysticism. I see domesticated animals as a kind of bridge to the natural world that we humans can’t cross on our own, no matter how much we claim to love people and animals. We ALL have a relationship to all living things, it’s what we make of that insight that matters. The carriage horse protesters that I have witnessed seem completely separated from the natural world, with no credible experience with this spiritual connection. Maybe individuals, but not the mobs and leaders of their organized groups, no way. I’ve been involved in very intense relationships, high levels of training and behavior modification, and have – if I added it all up – enough animal education to have earned at least a few university degrees. This study of animal behavior and training has continued to advance my thinking, and I’ve seen close up the advancement of human knowledge about animals, behavior, training and husbandry. From teaching a puppy to walk on a leash to breeding and whelping a litter of puppies, with a whole lot of study of zoology, natural and human history, biology and psychology – and a lifetime spent in creative pursuits in communications and teaching. I find it ironic that so many of the protesters so proudly proclaim themselves more “evolved” than any of us who actually work with and partner with animals . . . and no grasp of that irony, it’s lost on them.
Anyway, I suspect that you and I and the carriage drivers and supporters truly illustrate the nature of the kind of “evolution” that the protest groups claim for themselves. Through experiences with real animals in the real natural world we all live in, we have *real* compassion and empathy, not the kind that we read about or were told we should feel. I think the protesters, a lot of them, are very uncomfortable in their own skin, dissatisfied with their lives and their relationships with people. I’m afraid they just don’t get it, and I feel sorry for them that their belief system disallows for the kind of relationships that would – or should – allow them to claim that term for themselves. I believe with all my heart that opening up to animals in an honest way would allow them to heal their hearts. I have to believe that.
This is why I am uncomfortable with that one *little* thing about free will and choice for animals. Animals in the wild probably have far more constraints and limits to their lives than any pet dog or working carriage horse, and far more restrictions, with brutal consequences. Think of weather, terrain, territory, reproduction, health, pests . . .
There are recent studies that looked at the intelligence of dogs, the emotional intelligence, if you will, compared to wolves and great apes. One peculiarity is that dogs can learn things about their world by observation alone, wolves not much (apes can), and dogs can follow human gestures, like pointing to a desirable object, wolves cannot . Dogs may have evolved from the wolf, but many thousands of years ago there was a separation towards the humans, and this is where my only explanation now is mystical or spiritual. Clearly the modern dog, as a species, CHOSE to partner with humans. I don’t know how to explain that any other way, but the relationship between dogs and people is truly unique in the world. Or maybe there is something very similar – the relationship between horses and people, and elephants and people. Unique, but very similar, that maybe needs a new term – “domestication” doesn’t cut it. So for today, until more is learned, I cannot support the idea of Animal Rights at all. Because, when you look at the relationships from a simple comparison of mutual benefits, the trade-offs of the human concepts of freedom, free will and choice through the window of morality – immorality and amorality – putting animals on the same plane as humans as far as “rights” go, is dangerous for the animals and for society as a whole. The concept of rights for animals is not what people assume, allows the less committed and less experienced people to abdicate their enormous *responsibilities* towards the animals, wild and domestic.
This got longer than I intended, but your blog really impressed me. You are thoughtful, intelligent and honest, and I’m sure the horses would thank you – if they could. Thank you!
Rain, thank you for putting so much time and effort into this. How to live ethically and peacefully with animals who used to be exploited for food and labor…there is still so much work to do on this front. Thank you for addressing it so thoughtfully.
Those in favor of banning carriages often compare it to slavery. They want the horses “freed like the slaves were.” I would never wish such a fate on anyone – humans or animals. Granting the slaves their freedom did not absolve them from working. In fact they most assuredly had to work harder just to survive. Many were dumped on the streets with no way to support themselves. Many were hunted down, beaten, raped, mutilated, tarred & feathered, hanged, dragged to death, etc. The lucky ones were given an infertile piece of land on which could barely grow food. In some states the slaves forced to leave. Imagine you have no money, no transportation and have no idea where to go?
And here is the most interesting fact: Many slaves STAYED with their former masters but as salaried employees. They stuck with the job they knew and the security of having a home and means of support.
Unlike human slaves, domestic horses cannot survive without people taking care of them. They cannot read or balance a checkbook. In exchange for doing their jobs as carriage horses they get full room and board, comprehensive health care, dental care, regular pedicures and vacation time. They get paid whether they work or not. Drivers don’t make anything if they don’t work, such as when it’s too hot or too cold. Many working class people don’t even have that.
If the horses did not like their jobs they would make it miserable for their humans. They would balk, bite, kick etc. A horse that does not like its job does not do it well.
Thank you so much for lending your voice to the carriage horse issue, and taking such a common sense approach to forming an opinion. I think this is a very important issue that affects all horse people and all horses. I am a 60 year old professional horsewoman. My very first memory is of riding a horse. Horses have been my entire world for my whole life. Although I have had the experience of driving a team once an worked on the Standardbred track for about a year in my early 20s, I am not involved in any way with the carriage trade. I do have horses that work. Over the years I have had 12 horses. I have 2 working presently, one who is retired and will be 30 next year, had one who didn’t like the job, who I sold as a riding horse, and either kept the rest until they died or gave them away to friends with children. I care very deeply for all my boys. I consider them part of my family. Besides my own working horses, I have worked around thousands of other horses over the years, in many different disciplines, including a stint as an equine veterinarian assistant. I’ve also read everything about horses I can get my hands on. So I do have a lot of experience to draw on. However, I am ever mindful of the trap of just accepting things that I’ve done my whole life without actually thinking about them. I am very passionate about the carriage horse issue because I feel that the biggest threat to any horse’s well-being is people who, though well-meaning, don’t truly understand their wants and needs or their basic nature. So I would like to share a little of my experiences for your consideration, and I would also like to pose a few questions for you. I hear a lot about horses having a place to run free in. For most of the last 30 years, I have ponied horses on the racetrack- so I moved 2 or 3 times a year with the circuit. For 5 months my horses were in stalls, and were out in a pasture (but sill working) the other 7. When they first were turned out in a pasture after being in stalls all winter they would play- run around, roll, grab some grass, and run around some more. This MIGHT last for 20 minutes and then they were done. Once in a great while if a cool front came in with some rain, they might run for 5 minutes or so and then they were done. In the fall, they might run for a few minutes with the first cold snaps, but the rest of the time they mostly hung out, snoozed in the sun, or grazed. Young horses play more than older horses (just like human kids and adults). Horses who don’t work will run around a little more than their working brothers and sisters. And horses bred to run like thoroughbreds run more than the colder blooded horses like the carriage horses. I have a half Percheron, half Quarter horse gelding I’m using right now. He is very similar in breeding to most of the carriage horses. Angel very rarely runs. He’s half the age of Popcorn, my working Quarter horse, and 1/3 of the age of Bear, my retired horse. Bear has a very arthritic hock, but he still plays more than Angel, even in the winter when Angel has a 2 month vacation. So even if the carriage horses were pastured all year, unless they were very unusual, they would run less than one percent of their time out. I do prefer to have my horses in a pasture, and personally, I think they need a little time to run around and be silly if they want, just like people need a vacation to recharge. But I don’t think they’re deprived if they live in a stall, as long as they get daily exercise and attention. Now of course, even with all my experience, I can’t truly know what my horse is thinking. But I can recognize behavior that indicates stress, and behavior that indicates contentment- or a lack of stress at least. Most mothers can tell if their babies are hungry or in distress, or content, even though the babies can’t yet speak. Now, I find the idea of horses as slaves, and the idea that they are exploited very difficult to wrap my head around. It’s so far from my experience with horses that I’m rather at a loss. It’s like trying to explain how I breathe. So instead of a clumsy attempt at trying to explain, I have some questions for you to consider. Do you consider yourself to be a slave to your government? I mean, no one asked us, if we wanted a government. It’s just there and we have to abide by the rules, whether we choose to or not. In exchange we get the police, and fire fighters, road, schools, etc. Are children slaves to their parents? What if the don’t choose to go to school? What if they want to play in the traffic? Is a son or daughter a slave because they go into the family business through obligation, when left on their own would CHOOSE another career. (Yes, if they REALLY hate the family business or have a REALLY strong calling, they can choose to take the consequences and do something else- but if a horse REALLY hates pulling a carriage, he is perfectly capable of kicking it to pieces). And are all people who work slaves? Even though they may choose what job they have, most people don’t have the choice of not working. And some people have to take a job they wouldn’t choose, in order to be able to eat. Are they slaves? And on the horse (and other animal side)- Why don’t we ride zebras and onagers when we do ride horses and donkeys. Why do we have dogs as companions and not wolves? Why do we have domestic cats as pets and not Palla’s cat (domestic sized wild cat) or Bob cats? Could it be that thousands of years ago when there was still nothing but natural habitat, the animals we now consider “domestic” CHOSE to throw their lot in with us while their “wild” brethren did not? I think it is human arrogance to think that we are so all powerful that the other species had no choice in the matter. I think that domestic animals as a species benefit from their partnership with us just as we benefit with our partnership with them. There are individuals who do not thrive in the partnership, there are individual people who do not thrive in marriages, individuals who do not thrive in families, some in their jobs, or anywhere else. Unfortunately there is abuse or even just misfit in every group. We do need to be vigilant for abuse against animals and people too. Real abuse is a terrible evil. And horse owners have a responsibility to do everything possible to ensure that their horse is suited to whatever task they ask their horse to do. If horsemen and women are attentive and responsive to their individual horse’s needs, I believe it is a true partnership and not exploitive or slavelike in any way. Thank-you for letting me share my thoughts here.
Very well said. It’s so very sad that groups like PETA and other animal rights groups continue to cast a spell on people who have no animal knowledge or experience beyond their pet cats or dogs. We are far removed from the lives of our ancestors, who relied on animals for survival, when to misunderstand the nature of animals would have been fatal.
Thank you. On behalf of the horses both here and abroad, Thank you.
Thank you, Rain, for being so comprehensive and insightful in your research. Your questions were right on. Lillian makes great points to help us understand the differences and similarities among human and non-human species.
Those horses get better conditions than most working humans. I’ve never gotten five weeks’ vacation, and would love to have someone serve me the best-quality food for every meal.
As far as work being akin to slavery, consider that wild horses spend the vast majority of their time walking and grazing, not running. Walking around while pulling a lightweight carriage is closer to natural behavior than most horses in our society, since few owners can afford hundreds of acres of pasture. This work is better than spending most days in even the nicest stall, which can lead to harmful neurotic behavior like cribbing, pawing or pacing. Why should horses get a free ride on this Earth, anyway? Every organism has work to do, whether hunting food, escaping predators or selling bonds. An animal without a job–horse, dog, or human–is living a half-life.
With high-quality food, regular vaccinations and grooming (no worms or ticks), shelter from the elements (look up “rain rot”), and freedom from predation or drought, these working horses have it far better than their wild counterparts. Activists would do more good by raising awareness of donkeys, camels and other working animals abused across the world. Or even maybe help out the humans who have to abuse them in order to scrape by a living…you know, in those parts of the world with no Starbucks.
Thank you
Thank you for putting out the effort to do the research on carrage horses, most people would not.
As for your personal androgany and your Berkley degree and childhood on a farm, investigative work needs to stand on its own without the investgator referring their special “qualifications”. You are not qualified to comment on the overused maladies in the the horse’s legs that might or might not exist. You are not qualified to comment on the day-to-day conditions that exist when vistors aren’t expected, or the total hours individual horses work, or the amount of carbonmonoxide circulating in their systems on hot summer days in the height of the tourist system. as your him/her photos show, appearances mean very little. The appearance of your “investigation” of this matter is that you did a cursory walk through to justify a practice that is not justifiable because it appeals to you personal inclination to love costuming. In my personal experience investigating innumerable inhumane animal businesses, I’ve found that conditions on the day i visit mean very little in comparison to records and documention of how many horses die, etc etc etc. Stick to fashion….your investagation is nothing more than a perfunctory walkthru to justify the injustifiable so you can keep living your fantasies without regard to the cruelty they enable!!
Ms. Catalina, what exactly are your qualifications to comment on these particular horses?
The American Association of Equine Practitioners (AAEP) “…supports the humane and ethical use of horses in urban environments, such as mounted patrols, tourist carriages and taxi/limousine service…” and further states that “[t]he equine veterinarian is the most qualified individual to manage the health care needs of the horse.” http://bit.ly/1rUjUKh
To that end, veterinarians who have actually examined the NYC carriage horses have found them healthy and well-cared for – read all about it here: http://bit.ly/198JNAd and here: http://bit.ly/OytR12 and here: http://bit.ly/1lBU4vg and here: http://nydn.us/1vMs8qy
Furthermore, by law, the NYC carriage horses have four examinations by veterinarians each year, which are in addition to the approximately 180 hackline inspections performed each year during which the horses and all paperwork (logs of rides, hours worked, etc) are checked. That’s not counting stable inspections and individual horse inspections. And that’s not counting inspections by city inspectors.
The NYC carriage horses are regulated by both the NYC Administrative Code / Rules of the City of New York and New York State Agriculture and Market Law. Title 17 Chapter 3 Subchapter 3 of the Administrative Code deals with Rental Horses (riding and carriage) and their oversight by the Health Dept. Title 20 Chapter 2 Subchapter 2 of the Code is their licensing regulations with the Dept. of Consumer Affairs. Title 19 touches on their work on public streets. All these rules and regulations – from at what temperature the horses must be blanketed, to how many hours they can work, to where and when they can work, to what the rate card must look like, to specifics about their 4x per year vet inspections, etc., etc. runs to well over 100 pages single spaced.
The New York City carriage horses are some of the most regulated, examined, inspected, and watched animals in this country.
As for deaths, there have been three carriage horses that have died as a result of collisions with traffic in the past 30 (that’s THIRTY) years: Chester (1985), Tony (1990) and Spotty (2006).
Chester doesn’t really count as a traffic death since he was killed by a police officer who thought he had broken his leg (he hadn’t) and made a unilateral decision to shoot him in the street – and took three times to do it.
There have been roughly a half dozen other carriage horses who have died while at work in the past 30 (again, that’s THIRTY) years – most notably Charlie who died of unknown causes in October 2011 (http://tinyurl.com/cwplyk2), Smoothie in 2007 (from head trauma and shock after spooking into a tree due to a snare drum), Juliet in 2007 (colic), Jackie in 1999 (electrocution thanks to ConEd and stray voltage).
I am in no way minimizing the death of any horse, but this is a remarkable record. There is no other riding discipline that can come close – NONE.
No person has ever been killed in NYC in an accident involving a carriage horse.
Are there accidents involving carriage horses? Yes, of course. But there are accidents involving horses in every walk of life.
How many people are killed on the streets of NYC every year? Cyclists? Dogs get run over in NYC – http://tinyurl.com/a4dygdk and http://tinyurl.com/kj7ltt7 and, most recently, http://nydn.us/1uWi3bM – should we ban them too?
Here’s how we make the streets of NYC safer for people and all animals – get people in motor vehicles to SLOW DOWN and obey traffic laws, which, BTW, include the law that horses have the right of way.
Well Debbie Catalina I am here to tell YOU that I DID personally show up unannounced and took a tour of the stables. I am a horsewoman of 30+ years who is not wearing “rose colored glasses” and those animals are well cared for. I went with my eyes wide open looking for management failures and found none. I challenge you to find any situation that is perfect and perfect all the time. Again I will tell YOU and the misguided individuals drinking the animal rights groups kool aid…most of the time, horses without JOBS find themselves in the slaughter pipeline. Oh and BTW, banning slaughter in the US did not save any equine lives…it just made their last days even more horrific because now they have to endure long trips over the borders to Canada and Mexico. Not to mention the abandoned horses that are just turned out on public lands to fend for themselves. Perhaps those people who truly care about animals should worry less about their “rights” and more about the animal’s “welfare”…oh but wait, if that money raised actually went to the animals then where would the money come from to support those who make a living “fighting” for animal rights.
“…in the the horse’s legs that might or might not exist.”
Whoops! Looks like you misspelled “do not exist”, according to the wide variety of humane inspectors and veterinary medical equine experts who are, in actual fact, qualified to comment on the horses’ legs (and everything else about them).
It’s profoundly horrific to me that you folks, well-meaning as you MIGHT be, don’t bother to turn your attention on the tens of thousands of desperately needy, dying, starving, abandoned houses in this country who could really and truly use your attentions and resources. What a sick, sick joke it is.
You cannot hide real animal abuse even when prior notice of a visit is given. Underweight animals do not magically appear to be a healthy weight. Harness sores cannot be covered up. Rain Dove was around horses growing up, so there’s no reason to think she can’t recognize a bowed tendon or ocelot – or a “clean” leg for that matter. If you have real, concrete facts of particular instances of abuse of these horses, everyone would be interested. We are not interested in unfounded accusations or the same old PETA propaganda which has been disproven over and over again by knowledgeable horse people with no agenda, no ties to the carriage industry, and no reason whatsoever to support the industry if it was abusive. If you had real, concrete instances of abuse, you would not need to use personal attacks on Rain Dove to try and discredit her views.
Thank you:)
Thank you Rain. The horrific night of the activists was like a physical assault, I’m PTSD to begin with, but three hours of screams and personal insults, particularly toward the models was unacceptable, that the Mayor would believe these people about the conditions of the horses without seeing for himself proves, it’s all politics. That is the tragedy. The positive thing that came out of it was, your initiative to take the time to find out for yourself. I was with you on the two visits and impressed by your due diligence, sincerity and objectivity.
the mayor refuses a dialogue, he’s never been to the stables. I applaud you for your courage in facing this issue. The has to be a dialogue otherwise it’s a dictatorship which is what it is now. I saw to the mayor, “how can you ban something you haven’t seen?”
Yes, to everything every positive person has replied above. THANK YOU so much for not being a sheep and for doing your own research!
As to the smog the horses endure – children in NYC have no choice but to live there with their parents. They are subjected to the same smog and other pollution the horses are. Why is no one calling to ban the children “for their own good?” And why do the massive amounts of animal rights people not call for a ban of the NYC police horses? They seem to be subjected to a similar environment as the carriage horses.
There is a difference between animal rights and animal welfare. I believe in and support animal welfare.
Please, the next time you visit the horses (as I’m sure you will), give them a hug and a carrot for me!
SO incredibly well written – thank you thank you thank you! As a horse owner of 8 horses, a farm in northern NJ, and growing up in the NYC suburbs, this is a wonderful blog to read. Horses in NYC are very well cared from from everything I can see and tell and I’ve spent countless hours there as I used to work just off Central Park. Day in and day out, summer and winter, I’ve almost never seen a sick, lame, or skinny horse. There are so many horses actually in need of saving that to abolish carriage horses in NYC would not only be a travesty for the drivers and the economy, it would also take away from the multitude of unwanted horses in this country needing homes and care. These horses ARE WANTED, not unwanted, neglected, or abused. The regulations are far better than even in racing, showing, or pretty much any other horse industry and it is wonderful to see the word spreading about the positive impact these animals have on NYC and how well they are cared for. THANK YOU!
Rain, thank you for your diligence and for not taking the so-called “Animal Rights” group’s false assertions for granted. It’s nice to see someone who cares enough to personally investigate.
I have lived the majority of my life in two of the states (Montana and Wyoming) where horses (theoretically) “frolic” in the wild in feral herds. I marvel at what these activists are saying, because they clearly have no idea about what “being in the wild” means for an animal like a horse (which happens to be a “prey” animal). Ever seen a feral horse? Ever seen its hooves so overgrown that they curve back up above the ground, forcing the horse to walk on its ankles? Ever seen the scars and bite marks on the horses from the herd behavior (this is not always “frolicking”)? Ever seen what a horse looks like that has had no veterinary care during its life? Or that is trying to stay warm when it has no shelter during a Rocky Mountain blizzard, and the standing temperature is 35 below Fahrenheit (wind chill, -70 F. in some cases) or when it is 117 degrees on the sagebrush flats where the horse lives and there is no shade (much less a sprinkler system for cooling)? Ever seen how hard a horse shies when it sees a rattlesnake? Or what a horse’s carcass looks like when it has been taken down and mauled by a grizzly bear? (Domestic horses are much calmer around cars than wild horses can afford to be around their wild animal counterparts.) Ever see the kinds of slippery shale cliffs an unshod wild horse has to pick its way up and down, compared to the smooth pavement a shod NYC carriage horse gets to walk on? Ever tried to breathe, yourself, during a summer when millions of acres of wildfires are burning in your area, and the news is fraught with daily warnings that anyone and everyone needs to stay inside where air is filtered as much as possible? (Makes the NYC smog look good, believe me.)
There are few so-called rescue farms out here in horse country that have the money to care for their charges even remotely as well as the NYC carriage horses are cared for; most of them are scrabbling for feed and donations for their causes. When I’ve seen the carriage horses and enjoyed a carriage ride during my trips to NYC (and I’m not even remotely interested in a vintage electric car ride, thank you very much), I’ve seen healthy, alert animals who are engaged in their surroundings. Our wild horses should be so lucky.
One of the things that has always fascinated me about the horses I’ve owned and known . . . .whenever you are riding them, or when you let them loose, where do they go? Typically, they trot right back to their barns or stables. They must have missed that message on being wild and “frolicking.”
It’s a pity the so-called animal rights activists cannot treat their fellow humans (the carriage horse drivers) with at least the respect and empathy they seem to demand for their anthropomorphized versions of animals they clearly need to know more about.
Rain, thank you for you integrity in learning about this issue and sharing your experience.
ASM
ASM…”Typically, they trot right back to their barns or stables. They must have missed that message on being wild and “frolicking.””….your statement made me LOL, literally because it is so true.
Nice job on investigation and a great set of comments here. I do not particularly agree with a number of your questions or conclusions, but you did come up with a set of important questions that some may find require answers (I don’t necessarily find all of them useful), yet you covered a lot of ground and used your farming background in your analysis. Bravo. A couple of points, though they have been touched on above. The having fun and frolicking portion of your analysis seems a bit out of place, especially in view of horses in the wild. And then again there is the point that horses are not native to the Americas, the original equines being eaten by newly arrived groups from Asia and the newbies being introduced by the Spanish in the 1500’s, many having escaped to form bands of wild horses west of the Mississippi and others stolen by Indians. What I am getting at is there is no real natural state horses can be brought back to unless you let them loose in Central Asia. Working horses have their place as most horses are not descendants of the feral breeds in the West, and it is up to us humans to ensure that they are treated properly. Again, thanks much for your time and efforts in this!
I think you’re an amazing person. I can tell by some of your comments you are starting from ground 0 but you got to speed really quickly and made an effort to understand and be fair. I think that’s awesome! Thank you for taking the time.
Dear Rain: Thank you for a thoughtful piece. Not a lot of people go that extra mile to find out the whole story after being pulled into an issue as you were. I have an business here in New York, which is one of the many small industries which the government of City of New York seems not to care about, small commercial theaters ( I own Theatre 80). These days the city government seems to exist only for the interests of the developers and wealthiest New Yorkers, and those small, traditional businesses which define New York are in danger of being destroyed, turning this city into a soulless shopping mall. Many, I for one, believe that the attack on the carriage horse industry has been taken up by the city at the behest of developers who see every inch of New York as theirs to own, buy and sell. The courage you show in telling this story gives me some hope.
Many thanks,
Lorcan Otway
I am stunned. I was sure that Rain Dance would cover the subject honestly and get some ‘photo op’ as well … which is truth. But But I read this report and it is ‘Truth be Told’ and it has honesty in every detail … with associated witnesses ! The mayor should be prompted to do this, or at least read this. I think Rain Dance would have reported any mistreatment. I do.
I greatly admire you!! I have been following this story for some time and appreciate the time you took to actually find out the facts for yourself, unlike the “animal rights” groups who are nothing but ‘followers’. Come on people! Wake up and do research before pretending to know what you are protesting!!!!
Thank you Rain for such a well written,comprehensive article about the carriage horses of NYC. Your impartiality and trying to be fair impressed me-not taking sides and asking all the questions you did. I have been advocating the continuance of the NY Carriage horses knowing how well they are treated-and hoping through education, some of these radical animal groupies would turn their attention to horses that are truly abused.. In my opinion, they have lost my respect because they have become very political and it is not about the animals anymore. The major is a disgrace in his advocacy of closing down the carriage industry.. I guess what really upsets me is how the animal groupies try and appeal to ppls emotions and outright lie about the horses conditions. Makes me question what else they lie about to get their point and $$$$ sent to them to “save” animals. Thank you again-you are awesome!
You questions are good, and expose some things I have a question about my self, see the below question you asked Conner.
“Are Amish farms regulated in the way they maintain their horses? As in barn standards, work standards, health standards?”
“No they aren’t… And they work their horses a lot harder than we do. So do the ranchers. Those horses don’t have anyone walking in making sure that the horses are fed proper, their water is clean. Their stalls are mucked, and that they are getting vacation time. Abuse, mistreatment, neglect on all levels can exist… Even on financially depraved horse sanctuaries that don’t intend for it to exist simply because they aren’t regulated by officials. In fact I think you’ll find that we are one of, if not THE ONLY regulated horse industry in the world by city officials. We are definitely the ONLY working horse industry in the world that has a city mandated 5 week vacation enforcement and an inspector that visits constantly. We even have rules like we can’t work our horses if the temperature is 90 degrees or above. I mean we are held to higher basic standards for life quality and social treatment than anywhere else.”
Connor is quite fluffed in the passions of his speech.
Dear Rain, The horses are bought from the Amish, so the horses may already be in bad shape or sick when they buy them, hence the Amish sell horses they have worked very hard or that may be sick and not able to farm the fields any longer and they need the cash, so sell the horse to a carriage driver. My second question to you is the ” vacation ” of which Conner speaks of is five weeks of the horse going BACK to the farm they came from and working even harder in the fields on their said vacation. Per Conner ” they work their horses a lot harder than we do ” Amish farms have no work standards, no health standards…why would you send you beloved carriage horse there for vacation? With the quote of ” we cannot work our horses if temps are over 90 degrees” were you aware that they do not on most days in the summer obey this rule? There are public records on file and numerous videos and phone calls made to 311 to report that the drivers are still out in extremely hot days in the summer when millions of tourist are in town and flock central park and the bartering for rides by the half hour or hour ensue. Just some more information for you to take in and file away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIpSg5MXGCc
First, Conner’s comment – “… they work their horses a lot harder than we do. So do the ranchers… .” is clearly in the context of plowing fields, other farm labor, etc, which is unquestionably “harder” than walking around on even, well-paved roads. It is also clearly in the context of law and regulations regarding work horses.
Second, why would a NYC carriage owner buy a horse in “…bad shape or sick…”? That would make zero sense. These are incredibly well-trained animals – if a horse doesn’t work out as a NYC carriage horse, he is more than capable of going on to other work. No different than a person who is not suited to a particular job – doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with them.
Additionally, numerous veterinarians, who have actually examined the NYC carriage horses, have found them to be healthy and well-cared for – read all about it here: http://bit.ly/198JNAd and here: http://bit.ly/OytR12 and here: http://bit.ly/1lBU4vg and here: http://nydn.us/1vMs8qy
As for the question of working in “heat” – horses graze, race, show, and work in all parts of the world when the temperature is over 90 degrees.
Further, by law, the carriage drivers are NOT required to return to the stables on their own since it is the NYPD that is the official temperature keeper (it used to be the ASPCA). The maximum temperature was proposed in 2010 when the carriage horse industry sought an update in the regulations that govern their work.
Pursuant to N.Y. ADC. LAW § 17-330 : NY Code – Section 17-330 (http://bit.ly/1jhH0Km), which states, in part (emphasis added):
2. Carriage horses shall not be worked whenever the air temperature is 90 degrees fahrenheit or above.
3. For purposes of this subdivision, TEMPERATURES SHALL BE THOSE MEASURED BY A STATE-OF-THE-ART THERMOMETER, AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSIONER, AS MEASURED BY THE COMMISSIONER OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE AT STREET LEVEL AT ONE OF THE STANDS DESIGNATED pursuant to section 19-174 of the code.
4. If the temperature exceeds the limits set by this subdivision during the course of a particular ride, at the ride’s conclusion, but no later than one-half hour after the temperature exceeds these limits, the operator must immediately cease working, move the horse to an area of shelter, where available, rest the horse and then walk it directly to its stable.
5. No violation of this subdivision shall occur UNLESS A WRITTEN WARNING OF VIOLATION IS FIRST ISSUED BY THE AUTHORIZED ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL TO THE OPERATOR ADVISING THAT THE AIR TEMPERATURE LIMITS OF THIS SUBDIVISION HAVE BEEN EXCEEDED AND DIRECTING THAT THE OPERATOR CEASE WORKING a carriage horse in accordance with the provisions of this subdivision.
Because I am assuming you are referring to the situation with carriage driver Christina Hansen, I will add this: Ms. Hansen was never told that the temperature had exceeded the limits, and, as a matter of fact, a mounted police officer was right next to her, so she did not break any law. http://bit.ly/1qGUjEI
any driver that is out in NYC summers knows the temps, they all have cell phones and know or SHOULD know what the temp is today, tomorrow, yesteday. you can quote all you want the law and rules. Facts are that a driver should always know the temperature for the day and when to go in. Hansen was just one incident, there are public records showing where tourists and residents have had to call the NYPD because the drivers refused to go in for the day. Also, here is a video showing the facts also that the Amish and the carriage drivers share the horses. They go back and forth, either working on the farms on their ” vacations ” that is what they call getting sent back to the farms, and then they get shipped back to the city to work the streets of NY, times square etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FiH7LsSYzU
besides on any given day you can see the drivers all in the shade on their cell phones, which I assume they can read the temps on there while they are laxing in the shades on the sidewalks while the horses stand in the sun. It is all about taking care of the horses right? Right?
Checking your cell phone, won’t give the official temperature which governs the carriage horses. The police are responsible for alerting the drivers when the official temperature has been reached and they must discontinue working. Under law, they are allowed to finish their fares, after a verbal notification of the temperature has been given by police. The high temperature cut off is fairly lenient compared to most places. The cut off temperature at the military base stables I worked was 100 degrees. Horses do not spontaneously combust when the temperature reaches above 90. The truth is horses are less bothered by temperature extremes than people are. There have been no citations given for non-compliance of heat regulations, so the drivers are not breaking the law or harming their horses in any way.
unlike the horses, the carriage drivers and owners, stable keepers etc.. could all do other forms of work, jobs, careers. They are choosing to keep the horses in harms way in the streets of NYC and also putting NYC residents and the adventure seeking tourists blind to the dangers of these carriages lives in dangers as well. They should have to sign a disclaimer before boarding such dangerous rides! The fact that industry does not pay any income tax or city taxes into the city is another issue. Nobody knows what they make, or pay into the well being of the animal or the carriage upkeep. Saying the horses bring millions of dollars into the city is absurd and cannot be shown on paper ! A lot of the carriages have their tags whitewashed so you cannot read the numbers to report them when they do illegal u-turns, talk on their cell phones while in traffic, or leave their horses unattended in the streets. I could go on and on about the shady doing and dangers of this industry. The only people that are speaking up for this industry are the drivers, the families and their friends, , and the horses owners. OR those that want Quinn back in office. This is not about the horses really, but about sour grapes that Quinn did not win. Most residents of NYC are embarrassed by the sight, the smell and the horror of seeing horse carriages in the streets and in the middle of traffic. That Qunnipac poll the Daily Rag and drivers keep quoting was of a mere 1,500 people, in no way represents the 8 million people that live here in NYC and surrounding borroughs . The days of NYC trying to milk tourist dry any means possible are numbered. I will be proud to say I live in NYC when these carriages are off the city streets as they are just a tourist trap sucking money out of the tourists as much as they can.
When the NYC carriage horses go on their vacations they do not work – if you have proof otherwise, please provide it.
Your comment regarding taxes is ludicrous as is your comment about horses “standing in the sun”. And you complain that the drivers don’t obey the law and yet you don’t want them to obey the law regarding temperature? That makes no sense.
As for “danger”:There have been three carriage horses that have died as a result of collisions with traffic in the past 30 (that’s THIRTY) years: Chester (1985), Tony (1990) and Spotty (2006).
No person has ever been killed in NYC in an accident involving a carriage horse.
Are there accidents involving carriage horses? Yes, of course. But there are accidents involving horses in every walk of life.
How many people are killed on the streets of NYC every year? Cyclists? Dogs get run over in NYC – http://tinyurl.com/a4dygdk and http://tinyurl.com/kj7ltt7 and, most recently, http://nydn.us/1uWi3bM – should we ban them too?
Seems that the obvious answer is to ban cars.
westviewgirl truly you must be joking..what “horror” seeing horses in the streets of NYC? “They should have to sign a disclaimer before boarding such dangerous rides!”..?? What are you talking about? Sounds like you are looking for a argument. Obviously you aren’t horse savvy and don’t believe in free enterprise..or haven’t actually taken a ride in a carriage before..
Westviewgirl – First let me say, I hope you find your meds, since you really need them. Beyond that it is just a lie and you have no proof to claim that “industry does not pay any income tax or city taxes” Why do you have make up lies like this? It’s just sick to do this.
http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2014_06_01_archive.html
Also why do you make up lies about the condition of the horses. Every single veterinarian and horse rescue group that examines them states that they are healthy and in good condition. Please don’t make things up.
Westviewgirl provides a great example of the absurdity. Here we have an independent 3rd party in Rain. Who took the time and opportunity to go and investigate the claims of abuse. She reports back what she finds. Her report discredits a tremendous portion of the “claims” the anti carriage horse groups have presented. In response westview simply moves the goal posts and dregs up another handful of equally absurd sounding “issues”.
Nobody has to like the horses being a part of the NY heartbeat , but they do not have the right to dehumanize the owners and drivers , make false accusations of abuse and or emotionally manipulate the good people by continuing to repeat and publicize their lies touting them as “facts”.
I am not a carriage horse owner, a driver, a family member, or a friend of these people. I am someone who has grown up around both domestic and wild horses, who loves animals, and recognizes that the only way they will truly survive is that if we continue to live and work side-by-side with them, and make room for them in our culture. The NYC carriage horse trade is exemplary in that respect. We horse-lovers nationwide are watching this situation in utter disbelief, and I can assure you that the NYC carriage horse drivers have support beyond anything you can imagine within the narrow confines of Manhattan Island.
There is one piece of this whole situation that does not add up and it absolutely fascinates me that the so-called “animal rights” advocates continue to ignore it. How can anyone who is truly intentional about putting animals’ welfare or rights first, and is making horses their particular cause, not devote all available energy, resources, and funds to caring for those animals who are in deepest distress? Absolutely no one can argue that these carriage horses are not better cared for than the 200,000 horses that are sold to Canada and Mexico for slaughter each year (would you rather be a slaughtered horse, or a NYC carriage horse?). And yet, millions of dollars are being spent to whip up the public to put the carriage horses out of business. Really? How many horses bound for slaughter could that money save and make healthy? Then we’d have more horses as part of our culture, rather than fewer. Seems like that’s what people who really care about horses would do.
But that’s not even a matter of discussion and it is consistently side-stepped and ignored. And here’s why. While there are clearly many well-intentioned (but poorly informed) individuals who think they are looking out for their neighborhood horses’ best interests by supporting the so-called “animal rights” cause, they don’t see the deeper issue. How much is that land under the stables worth, or will it be worth with additional subway station development? Where is the money to push this drive and generate all the energy against the carriage horses and their law abiding owners (who are nothing more or less than small businesspeople) coming from? What other goals are being secured besides the obvious one (ban the horses)?
Lots of billionaires live in my little corner of the country, and one of them admitted (chilling, in my opinion) once that the way he most efficiently “gets his agendas pushed” is to donate lavishly to a particular nonprofit cause whose goals happen to align with and/or support his personal agenda. Once the nonprofit has a bunch of funding, two things happen: the nonprofit’s cause gets re-energized and publicized (PR, advertising and media cost money, which they now have) and the publicity in turn re-energizes those individual citizens who have historically supported that cause with their pennies, and they come out of the woodwork like an army of support. En masse, they provide the public weight to get the cause met. (Doesn’t hurt that all those members of the nonprofit get a little starry-eyed about that wonderful, philanthropic billionaire, either.) The nonprofit achieves its end and along the way, the billionaire just happens to get what he wants, plus he looks like a hero because he’s a donor, not a developer. Happens out here all the time.
At the end of the day, it makes me want to feel a bit sorry for all those well-intentioned “cause-supporters” who have been slickly fed rhetoric about their issue and don’t realize they are being very smoothly manipulated (who wants to admit that?). But they have some personal accountability themselves. When big donations happen, they should be examining all the congruent goals and questioning the rhetoric. They should be looking very carefully at their nonprofits’ financial statements and following the money in as well as out. Blind support is not responsible advocacy, and it can be very dangerous. Rain is to be commended for helping us all remember that. At the end of the day, we are all responsible for our advocacy.
Unfortunately, it happens all to often. In this case, real people and real horses will be hurt because the people (not the horses) won’t take off their blinders.
ASM
Westview Girl — Regarding “The fact that industry does not pay any income tax or city taxes into the city is another issue.” Do you have written proof that no driver pays taxes? This is a serious accusation and one that would have to be proven, substantially, should this matter end up a court of law. Please, don’t take the Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages, who I am sure you are familiar with, as an expert source in IRS matters.
thank you Debbie Mazar for your tweet 8) more and more NYers are speaking up and tired of witnessing this absurd, inhumane and just dangerous industry here in NYC
https://www.facebook.com/stophorseabuse/photos/a.228265987218345.60430.182687031776241/875447495833521/?type=1&theater
https://www.thedodo.com/debbie-harry-demands-freedom-f-560111285.html thank you Debbie Harry for being the voice of Blondie the horse!
This occurred Dec 2013 btw ONE carriage driver who let a lame horse work-and who also was ticketed in 2010 for drinking on the job is the excuse to ban the rest of the carriage drivers and their horses? He was fined-and most importantly was caught fairly quickly..which shows how highly regulated these people are. There are bad apples in EVERY job..this is just a excuse and only ONE excuse..leave the carriage drivers who are good ppl alone..they are being discriminated against. The spokesperson for the carriage drivers Ms. Hansen did not identify the owner by name, but she said: “He has suspended Mr. Colarusso (the ticketed driver) pending the outcome of the investigation. We do not tolerate any mistreatment of the carriage horses in our business.”
“A subsequent examination by a police veterinarian found that Blondie had a condition called thrush — an infection of the hoof that if left untreated can lead to the horse becoming permanently lame, and subject to euthanasia.” This is a huge stretch of the truth-horses get thrush quite frequently and I have NEVER heard of a horse euthanized from this condition (though it is possible under the right circumstances)..it is like athletes foot and ppl work their horses even if the horse has it. It is very common and can happen in any setting-not just “Unclean conditions”.” If the police had not noticed Blondie’s condition, animal experts said, the injury could have proved fatal.” Again a huge exaggeration….to prove a point for the anti-carriage lobbyists.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/nyregion/carriage-horse-driver-is-charged-with-animal-cruelty.html?_r=0 so much for the statement ” these horses are the most regulated, and looked after ” In my opinion, t his driver should be thrown under the jail for many years. Poor Blondie 8( where were all the vet and the stable owners, and most of all, where were all the people that are supposed to be looking after the horses everyday and their welfare and treatment?
“This incident further reinforces the need for an end to carriage horse operations in the city,” said Bret Hopman, a spokesman for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. “The A.S.P.C.A. believes that the use of carriage horses in 21st-century New York City is unnatural, unnecessary and an undeniable strain on the horses’ quality of life.”
The union that represents carriage drivers did not respond to calls and an email seeking comment
there is a direct quote from the ASPCA.
http://pagesix.com/2014/05/20/debbie-harry-supports-horse-carriage-ban/
If this is their definition of “abuse” (and it doesn’t match any legal definition in this country) then I am thinking the ASPCA and NYCLASS need to spend their time dealing with the REAL problems–they need to file suit against Mother Nature (see my post on those horses living in the wild), above.
To my original question: if you really care about horses, why is all this energy and money being devoted to the carriage horses, which are clearly MUCH better cared for than the 200,000 horses going to slaughter each year? Why are you folks not devoting your energy and money to those horses?
It is very telling that every one pushing the NYC carriage horse ban consistently ignores this question.
Very telling.
ASM